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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray (Locked)
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Boykin
Registered: December 2, 2001
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Let's see how many members actually have a Hi-Def player. 

One thing people are forgetting is that no one is going to buy either player unless they have a Hi-Def TV or they stop making standard DVD players.
Aryn Ravenlocke
Registered: October 4, 2005
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I listed that I own both types of players, but that is somewhat misleading IMHO in terms of what I would gather this poll is really looking for. I did not PAY for either unit. Both of my units are promotional pieces and provided to me free of charge to get folks to take an interest in them and go a few doors down to buy one.

My own personal choice would b to buy neither one right now. I PREFER the overall advantages of Blu-Ray in the long-term. But right now I see no application of those advantages. I like the overall cost of production of HD-DVD and the fact tht there are a very large number of pressing houses that can already begin work on creating titles versus the VERY  limited number of houses that Blu-Ray right now.

My biggest reservation though is not the technology or the price of a single unit. My gripe is that the technologies both still have some rather dedicated camps when it comes to studios and I do NOT want to spend a dime on any sort of Hi Def. unit until the studios stop with the pissing match. I want whatever player I have to be able to play any titles released, not only half. Perhaps the hybrid/combo units will solve this, but LG and Samsung keep hemming and hawing about when they are going to release one.


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I lost main DVD player and I have replaced it with the following:
OPPO OPDV971H Digital HD-Ready Up-Converting DVD Player.

I didn't have buy any cable adaptors. It came with DVI-DVI, DVI-HDMI, and component cables. Some retailers only mention one cable. My set, Sony FD Trinitron uses DVI to DVI cable.

Early implementation of Faroudja's DCDi deinterlacing and scaling technology reported some problems with the noise reduction. A firmware fix. The latest version allows you to select no noise reduction or the degree of reduction along with many, many other controls.

I think this will get me by until the HD-BlueRay battle is decided or until the prices come down.
My first computer was a UNIVAC I, and there aren't many of us left.
lmoelleb
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I do not have any plans to buy any as it is now, but I do have a plan for when to change the plan not to buy one.

I will plan to buy one (or both) when:

1) They are available for the computer (Media Center or whatever it will be at that time) at a decent price
2) The "copy protection" is broken - plastic discs are most likely a temorary evil until we get decent storage medias - and I want to be sure I can move my data to any new storage media or playback device as required.

Point 2) obviously also means that it does not matter if there is a clear winner - it is just data, and it can be moved.

Alternatively to 2), I might buy them if I get a hi-def TV (probably a year or something from now) and they are available for rent... It would have to be really cheap though.
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Rifter
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Registered: January 27, 2002
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I will buy whichever format ends up being the commercial winner.  I don't care which technology it is, as long as it does 2 things:

1.  It must play my current DVD library with no exceptions.
2.  It must visibly exceed the quality I get with current DVD playback regardless of type of reproduction.

If it can't do that, then its a waste of my hard-earned money.
John

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Ascended_Saiyan
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I favor Blu-ray over HD-DVD due to longer life span (more space and higher bit rates equals longer life span).  That advantage is not presently being demonstrated because Blu-ray is currently using single layer 25GB discs and Sony studios are currently using the MPEG-2 codec.  Normally, I would wait until the dual format player emerges (or 'til Blu-ray 50GB dual-layer movies appear), but the gaming deal Sony will present forces my hand. 

I will have a Blu-ray player because of the incredible price break of purchasing the PS3 console.  It's like paying $200 extra for a Blu-ray player with HDMI output, an additional 40Gigs of hard drive space, a web browser, SD memory card reader, a motion sensitive wireless bluetooth controller (w/ room for 3 more controllers than the Xbox 360), and a wireless network adapter, if you are a gamer (Xbox 360 premium is a $400 next-gen gaming console without a hi-def player, wireless network adapter, etc.).  If you're not a gamer, it's still a much needed cost reduction over the $999 standalone Blu-ray player at $600.
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Ascended_Saiyan
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Here is a good article to check out about the HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray war.

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"Yearn to understand first and to be understood second." - Beca Lewis Allen

"Anyone buying into HD-DVD at this point is just buying tickets to get on The Titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. At least they'll enjoy the music while the ship sinks."-blitz6speed
Rifter
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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I favor Blu-ray over HD-DVD due to longer life span (more space and higher bit rates equals longer life span).  That advantage is not presently being demonstrated because Blu-ray is currently using single layer 25GB discs and Sony studios are currently using the MPEG-2 codec.  Normally, I would wait until the dual format player emerges (or 'til Blu-ray 50GB dual-layer movies appear), but the gaming deal Sony will present forces my hand. 

I will have a Blu-ray player because of the incredible price break of purchasing the PS3 console.  It's like paying $200 extra for a Blu-ray player with HDMI output, an additional 40Gigs of hard drive space, a web browser, SD memory card reader, a motion sensitive wireless bluetooth controller (w/ room for 3 more controllers than the Xbox 360), and a wireless network adapter, if you are a gamer (Xbox 360 premium is a $400 next-gen gaming console without a hi-def player, wireless network adapter, etc.).  If you're not a gamer, it's still a much needed cost reduction over the $999 standalone Blu-ray player at $600.



Yeah, and what if I don't want all that junk, but instead just want a set-top 5 disc carousel player for $250.00?  Why should I have to pay 3 to 4 times that just to get Blu-Ray?  If it lasts long enough, I'm sure they'll solve their display problems, so if the display of Blu-Ray and of HD-DVD is the same quality, why pay all that extra just for some more filler on the disk?
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dkny75
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I bought the Toshiba HD-A1 for $363 from the Continental Airlines frequent flyer program.  I believe they also have the Samsung BD player for around $600 and change.

I don't really care which format wins as long as it delivers the best possible video and audio.  I've always considered myself an early adopter (bought a dvd player back in 97 when they first came out) and for under $400 I figured what the heck especially due to all the great reviews of the player and certain HD-DVDs.

I must say that I love my HD-DVD player right now.  Most of the titles out there look amazing (definitely not all of them).  As an added bonus, it is a great upconverting player.  If Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer come out with a better player and if the discs start using VC-1 compression then I'll probably get a Blu-Ray player also.
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Yeah, and what if I don't want all that junk, but instead just want a set-top 5 disc carousel player for $250.00?  Why should I have to pay 3 to 4 times that just to get Blu-Ray?  If it lasts long enough, I'm sure they'll solve their display problems, so if the display of Blu-Ray and of HD-DVD is the same quality, why pay all that extra just for some more filler on the disk?

Well, if you only want a $250 carousel dvd player then you shouldn't be looking at HD equipment.

What do you mean about paying 3 to 4 times $250 to get a Blu-ray player?  I thought I said you will be able to get one for $600 (really the low end PS3 is $500 with a Blu-ray player) when the PS3 launches.  The $500 model would not have the digital HDMI interface (like the Xbox 360 does not have a digital interface).  That's the same retail price as the standalone HD-DVD player.  Therefore, there will not be a great gap in price.  But, there will be a big price gap for the next two months.  Enjoy it while it lasts!
"Yearn to understand first and to be understood second." - Beca Lewis Allen

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I bought the Toshiba HD-A1 for $363 from the Continental Airlines frequent flyer program.  I believe they also have the Samsung BD player for around $600 and change.

I don't really care which format wins as long as it delivers the best possible video and audio.  I've always considered myself an early adopter (bought a dvd player back in 97 when they first came out) and for under $400 I figured what the heck especially due to all the great reviews of the player and certain HD-DVDs.

I must say that I love my HD-DVD player right now.  Most of the titles out there look amazing (definitely not all of them).  As an added bonus, it is a great upconverting player.  If Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer come out with a better player and if the discs start using VC-1 compression then I'll probably get a Blu-Ray player also.

I hear you, man!  Well, Disney has started using one of the advanced codecs (MPEG-4) for Blu-ray disc encoding.

I have a question for you.  If you decide to buy a Blu-ray player, would it be a standalone unit for $999 or the PS3 for $600?
"Yearn to understand first and to be understood second." - Beca Lewis Allen

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danio
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I was initially in favour of Blu-Ray, however, I changed my thoughts to HD-DVD.

Personally speaking I don't believe right now that Blu-Ray is a stable technology, they need to work on it.  HD-DVD works now!  I have encountered no problems at all so far.

You can see the titles I have purchased here and  so far none have dissapointed.  Picture quality and sound are excellent in every case.  Although I'm trying to buy movies I don't already have I do have a number of overlaps with my standard DVD collection.  Where I do have that overlap the increase in image depth is amazing.

I've presented films to the most critical of friends... people who said " It's not worth the money, DVD is fine! " - when shown what HD-DVD can present, they have all without exception retracted their reservations!
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Danio,

Did you really buy Dukes of Hazzard in HD-DVD or was that a drunken rental? 

I've been hearing nothing but good things about Goodfellas on HD-DVD and am looking forward to receiving that in the mail.

How did you find U-571?  I have that in Superbit now so I'm not to sure about picking up a High-Def version.

How do you have your audio set-up?  Are you utilizing the Dobly Digital Plus or is your system limiting you to straight Dolby Digital/DTS?
Gotta nip it in the bud, Andy!
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Quoting danio:
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I was initially in favour of Blu-Ray, however, I changed my thoughts to HD-DVD.

Personally speaking I don't believe right now that Blu-Ray is a stable technology, they need to work on it.  HD-DVD works now!  I have encountered no problems at all so far.

You can see the titles I have purchased here and  so far none have dissapointed.  Picture quality and sound are excellent in every case.  Although I'm trying to buy movies I don't already have I do have a number of overlaps with my standard DVD collection.  Where I do have that overlap the increase in image depth is amazing.

I've presented films to the most critical of friends... people who said " It's not worth the money, DVD is fine! " - when shown what HD-DVD can present, they have all without exception retracted their reservations!

If you were truly in favor of Blu-ray before both launched, you will be back when the 50GB titles hit the streets (20GB more than current HD-DVDs).  50GB discs for consumers launched the other day.  It won't be long now!
"Yearn to understand first and to be understood second." - Beca Lewis Allen

"Anyone buying into HD-DVD at this point is just buying tickets to get on The Titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. At least they'll enjoy the music while the ship sinks."-blitz6speed
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I thought the rumor was that Disney was going to release their first wave using VC-1.  There's a post over at AVS talking about that.  Of course the whole MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC-1 codec discussion with Disney is all speculation right now since no one can confirm it.  I'd be curious to see how the first wave looks. 

As for the Blu-Ray player, I think it all depends on the quality of the picture and sound that the various players spit out.  If the PS3 offers the same features as the Pioneer, Panasonic etc then why wouldn't i just get a PS3 for a few hundred bucks cheaper and also with the ability to play games! 

I must say that I just watched Chronicle of Riddick and Aeon Flux (not oscar worthy material for sure) and damn they looked amazing.  Goodfellas, IMO, isn't the best looking transfer I've seen.  I would put that towards the bottom of my list.  That being said, I'm sure someone else might disagree depending on someone else's setup and their eyes.  U-571 looked pretty good (much better looking in the scenes on the sub than scenes above water) but sounded amazing.  It felt like I was getting depth charged on my couch.  I have the HD-A1 set up through analog 5.1 so I can get the DD+ sound.  It rocks.
Rifter
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Yeah, and what if I don't want all that junk, but instead just want a set-top 5 disc carousel player for $250.00?  Why should I have to pay 3 to 4 times that just to get Blu-Ray?  If it lasts long enough, I'm sure they'll solve their display problems, so if the display of Blu-Ray and of HD-DVD is the same quality, why pay all that extra just for some more filler on the disk?

Well, if you only want a $250 carousel dvd player then you shouldn't be looking at HD equipment.

What do you mean about paying 3 to 4 times $250 to get a Blu-ray player?  I thought I said you will be able to get one for $600 (really the low end PS3 is $500 with a Blu-ray player) when the PS3 launches.  The $500 model would not have the digital HDMI interface (like the Xbox 360 does not have a digital interface).  That's the same retail price as the standalone HD-DVD player.  Therefore, there will not be a great gap in price.  But, there will be a big price gap for the next two months.  Enjoy it while it lasts!



God, you're arrogant!  Current format DVD players were well over $500 when they first hit the market.  Now, after ten years, a very high quality, top end model can be had for about $250, or if you really want cheap, you can get a one holer for $79 that plays just as well as the fancier models.  There is no real practical reason for HD to cost 4 times more than current format except that they can get away with it.  The media is a different story, as its harder to make, but even that will come down over time.
John

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