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wtmac
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This ought to make DVD's a thing of the past soon.

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DJ Doena
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Not for me. I want a disc to touch, to put it on shelfes, a cover to present and a booklet to read.
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wtmac
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I agree with you DJ but somehow I think trends will decide what we will be able to hold.
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MarkEJHarrison
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Apple TV automatically grabs the digital media on your computer and makes it available for you to enjoy on your TV.


I already have this ability with my TiVo box (I use TivoServer to play content from my PC on my TV).  And I never use it.  So I hope this never catches on because I agree 100% with DJ.  I want something to hold, not something stored on my PC.
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Apple TV automatically grabs the digital media on your computer and makes it available for you to enjoy on your TV.


I already have this ability with my TiVo box (I use TivoServer to play content from my PC on my TV).  And I never use it.  So I hope this never catches on because I agree 100% with DJ.  I want something to hold, not something stored on my PC.



Ditto for me.
John

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Touti
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Same here, I like having them in the shelves.  When I have friends over we always spend some time in my DVD Library (Oh all right, it's only a shelf in my office but don't blow up my dream ), they check the new things I got since their last visit, we look at the features, discuss the movies, the actors and all.

It's actually quite surprising how 300 DVD's in a shelve can turn into a very nice social gathering with people you like.
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The Mole
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Regrettably, I think that "ethereal digital delivery" will displace hard copy, whether DVD, CD or even LP (which still delivers superior sonics over CD!!) because the "younger generation" ( & we've got two of 'em!) are not interested in having "something to hold".....they just want to hear the sounds/ see the visuals. We buy them CDs (they're both into heavy metal at the moment....so I can't fault their taste!) and the first thing they do is rip them to iTunes, so they can play them both on their iPods and their PCs...the CDs get relegated to the shelves...but Iron Maiden on an iPod does not hit the spot like it does on the volume-wound-up Linn triamp system. However, carrying a brace of active Isobariks on one's belt is not an option!

It's probably an "age thing" like collecting antiques or whatever....

(says he while listening to Led Zeppelin via iTunes, duh!)

I think we're doomed!

Now if I could just get my iPod to feed into my Hifi.............
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JP_S
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Yamaha and Denon, and a lot of other brands have items so that you can control your iPod via your amplifier (or so I was told).

@Touti,
When I think of a library. I think of shelves with books, or DVDs. So you indeed have a library

But anyways... I agree with DJ. I want to hold something. I want to play a movie I purchased immediatly. I don't want to wait at least 20 minutes before the majority of the stream is in. I don't want a HDD-crash and loose my collection.
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Yamaha and Denon, and a lot of other brands have items so that you can control your iPod via your amplifier (or so I was told).

@Touti,
When I think of a library. I think of shelves with books, or DVDs. So you indeed have a library

But anyways... I agree with DJ. I want to hold something. I want to play a movie I purchased immediatly. I don't want to wait at least 20 minutes before the majority of the stream is in. I don't want a HDD-crash and loose my collection.


That last is what all the streaming video advocates always seem to overlook.  If you've got all your movies on hard drive and it goes south on you, you're screwed if you don't have it all backed up.  But I can't see somebody investing in several terabytes of extra storage capacity just to back up their movies.  It's a whole lot cheaper to buy the DVDs in the first place and just play them as you wish.
John

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wtmac
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I think backup systems are going to get more and more available and easy to use soon with greater amounts of storage.

With Digital photos replacing prints, Video cameras that download to your hard drive, itunes type music downloads and now this, don't you think that someone is already thinking about how to tap into this market.

Everybody is going to need a backup system.
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MarkEJHarrison
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I think if they really want to be successful, they'll take care of the backup problem for you.  So if you loose your content and can prove you've already paid for it, you'll be able to download another copy.

I'm pretty sure that's how the Wii works with their old video game downloads.  Once you've paid for it, you can download it to the same machine all you want.

But what happens when you get a new machine?  I'm guessing they'll attempt to make the content playable from only a single machine so you can't just burn copies for your friends.  But unlike an iPod, computers can and will be upgraded/replaced.
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I think if they really want to be successful, they'll take care of the backup problem for you.  So if you loose your content and can prove you've already paid for it, you'll be able to download another copy.

I'm pretty sure that's how the Wii works with their old video game downloads.  Once you've paid for it, you can download it to the same machine all you want.

But what happens when you get a new machine?  I'm guessing they'll attempt to make the content playable from only a single machine so you can't just burn copies for your friends.  But unlike an iPod, computers can and will be upgraded/replaced.


Apple doesn't even do that for iTunes.  You, as purchaser, can make a backup copy and if thats lost, then simply put, you are SOL.
RossRoy
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I'm pretty sure that's how the Wii works with their old video game downloads.  Once you've paid for it, you can download it to the same machine all you want.

But what happens when you get a new machine?  I'm guessing they'll attempt to make the content playable from only a single machine so you can't just burn copies for your friends.  But unlike an iPod, computers can and will be upgraded/replaced.


I don't know for Wii, but for Xbox Live Arcade, there are two associations made to each purchase. The Xbox from which you buy it is unlocked to play the content, and the purchase is also linked to your gamertag.

So, if your Xbox360 breaks, you can safely get a new one and you can then redownload your games using your gamertag.

The limitation that will ensue is that on the first Xbox360, anyone can play the game, whether or not the gamertag that bought it is logged on. On the second Xbox360, the purchaser must be logged on for the game to unlock.

The beauty of that system is that you can bring your purchase arcade game to any console, just using your gamertag. The problem is your relatives that use your Xbox cannot play the game if your are not there (assuming you had to purchase a new console).
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Battling Butler
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I think backup systems are going to get more and more available and easy to use soon with greater amounts of storage.

With Digital photos replacing prints, Video cameras that download to your hard drive, itunes type music downloads and now this, don't you think that someone is already thinking about how to tap into this market.

Everybody is going to need a backup system.


That's the great thing about actual DVD's ...........
they're always "back up" on the shelf anytime I need them 
wtmac
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Unless they become unplayable due to disc rot as being discussed here in an other forum. It's sad to say but large storage drives may be the wave of the future.

As we advance in technology to make things better we sometimes lose more than what we gained. 

my 2 cents. (stepping off the soap box, now replaced with an online forum)
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Najemikon
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Reliable, offline, local backup is expensive and time consuming when it's needed on a large scale. I wouldn't be at all happy about trusting the original suppliers to reload me in the event of a disaster. Clerical error causes a problem with your account? Bye-bye!

Valve who supply Half-Life 2, did so through a new system called Steam. Anti-piracy is a huge benefit and it's great if you have a problem because your account automatically reinstalls for you. However, even if you bought the CD, you have to have a working Internet connection everytime you play. Internet offline and not being able to play a game is one thing; not having access to your film or music library is quite another.

But the biggest problem with this digital delivery method for me is nothing to do with how it's delivered. More like 'when'. I'm 31 and when I was growing up, I had a real sense of value simply because, if I wanted something, I had to save up. That physical object, one at a time (no bulk downloading) was all the more precious, whatever it was.

Now we're going all flashy and digital, and everything is just a filename. You can't use cash, so you may as well get it now on a card. And you know you can download it now, so you want it now. No value involved. You won't even have the satisfying plop the postman makes! 

Oh yes, and keep photographs out of this! I don't call a photograph a photograph until it is printed and in a book or hanging on a wall...
Jon

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