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DJ Doena
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Not that I think there will ever be a 2.6, but hope dies at last.

What about managing movie information and DVD information seperately?

For example: The end credits don't change if I buy the Vanilla Edition or the Special Edition.

I think there are a lot of information for one movie that don't change even if there are dozens of DVDs for this movie (e.g. for different countries).

A DVD would then be combined with the movie an add some new information (e.g. localized title, subtitle, audio languages) and overwrite some others (different aspect ratio than in the cinema)
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skipnet50
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Hmmmm that is an interesting concept, Karsten.

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That's a great idea. It would ultimately save database space.

However, occasionally the end credits change depending on the DVD version. Not often, I guess, but it does happen (Criterion's Brazil set has the mutilated TV version, which does have different credits). That would need to be accommodated for.
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<groan> I just knew somebody would say something like this, now I wonder how common this is.

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There is another problem also, what do you do with languages and localities ?  Dubbed versions of a movie don't have different cast but they do have different titles.

How would you link them ?  Not saying it can't be done here, just trying to think of how it could work.
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<groan> I just knew somebody would say something like this, now I wonder how common this is.

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Not very common, but it exists...
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Have I told you how much I hate Hollywood.

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DJ Doena
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Quoting Touti:
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There is another problem also, what do you do with languages and localities ?  Dubbed versions of a movie don't have different cast but they do have different titles.
As I said in the original post, the localized title would be an addendum in the DVD - not the movie - information.

YA_shin: I was afraid that someone would mention that.

First solution would be, that then these are two different movies if the end credits were changed

Second solution: In prorgrammer terms the movie would be an abstract base class and the inheriting DVD could overwrite any information, it's just not the default way to overwrite everything. See the movie then as a template.

I just try to minimize the workload for all contributors who insert or copy the end credits for "The Anonymous Movie" (directed by Alan Smithee) into the US, the british, the french and the german DVD of that movie.
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YA_shin: I was afraid that someone would mention that.

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I just try to minimize the workload for all contributors who insert or copy the end credits for "The Anonymous Movie" (directed by Alan Smithee) into the US, the british, the french and the german DVD of that movie.

Hope I was clear, that I completely support your idea. Come to think of it, in my example you could consider those two (completely) different movies. I would assume that releases of the "same" film version will have the same credits. (Even "unrated" may already have to be double-checked.

I was only pointing out what kind of things need to be considered.
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This would really save a lot of time and work. 
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I addition, this would solve the "2 movies on one DVD" problem as well.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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There is another problem also, what do you do with languages and localities ?  Dubbed versions of a movie don't have different cast but they do have different titles.

As I said in the original post, the localized title would be an addendum in the DVD - not the movie - information.



What I meant is how would you handle contributions ?  Say I buy the DVD "Vol au dessus d'un nid de coucou".  I enter the UPC and find that it doesn't exist in the database but how do I know what the original english title is ?  How do I know wether the cast & crew already is in the database or not ?

In this case it would be easy because I know the movie is "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" but what if I don't know that ?
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You use IMDb to find out.

Nah, I see your point.

It's a consideration between two possibilities:

- maintain a list of alternate titles at the movie
- trust in contributing users that they are able to figure that one out

It's a consideration of the question "what kind of guy initially maintains a profile of a DVD that does not exist yet".
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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You use IMDb to find out.

Nah, I see your point.

It's a consideration between two possibilities:

- maintain a list of alternate titles at the movie
- trust in contributing users that they are able to figure that one out

It's a consideration of the question "what kind of guy initially maintains a profile of a DVD that does not exist yet".


I think you didn't understand my point Karsten.  What if I AM the contributing guy.  In my example I found out that my french version of a movie doesn't exists in the database and I want to contribute it but I need some kind of tool built into the program to help me find if it that movie already exists in its original version.

IMDB could be used but don't come criticizing me if "Vol au dessus d'un nid de coucou" ends up with the cast of "The Ten Commandmants" 
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I am quite sure this was discussed before - at least a couple of times.
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In this case it would be easy because I know the movie is "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" but what if I don't know that ?


Use the title from the credits. 
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