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So, what do we know? (Locked)
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Martin_Zuidervliet
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I know Ken licensed IVS to continue sales of DVD Profiler, that could make IVS, or mean still is, co-owner of the old code IMO. I also noticed that a lot of the old code has changed in the new version but not all, like the tag editor or the crew member role assigner. And it could be, beside the name of the program, that IVS claims to be part owner of the new version because of this and they want a certain percentage of the money Invelos makes.

PS. I hope this will not mean this site will be closed down too, like the last I speculated on the Invelos forums...
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Lithurge
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Well said, FunkyLA.
Personally? I'm pissed off at Intervocative. Jesse could easily settle his dispute with Ken in private, and spare us, the poor loyal users, from all of this.

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How do you know it wasn't tried and Ken refused to sit down and sort it out?

To put another angle on it Ken chose not to speak to us for a year and a half and we do not know who chose to not release 2.5 as a final product.


The same can be said about Jesse.
He had a year+ to find a replacement for Ken.

All this legal mess is really not necessary, not for them and certainly not for us.


Now you overlook the fact Ken stated he licensed the program back to IVS.

You still don't know what action was taken, by whom, or why.
Nick

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Lithurge
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To put another angle on it Ken chose not to speak to us for a year and a half...

Well, that one is simple, it would have been very bad style to announce his plans for Invelos in the Intervocative-Forum.

cya, Mithi


If that's the only thing you're talking about. There were other topics, such as the t-shirt competition, that Ken kept silent on for way too long. Not that I'm saying Ken is at fault here. Just trying to get people to look at the fact the picture is much broader then they like to think.

Do you all believe what you read in the papers?
Nick

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hal9g
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Based on comments from Jesse posted at Touti's forums, Ken is still a partner in IVS to this day!
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liorb22
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Quoting Lithurge:
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Well said, FunkyLA.
Personally? I'm pissed off at Intervocative. Jesse could easily settle his dispute with Ken in private, and spare us, the poor loyal users, from all of this.

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How do you know it wasn't tried and Ken refused to sit down and sort it out?

To put another angle on it Ken chose not to speak to us for a year and a half and we do not know who chose to not release 2.5 as a final product.


The same can be said about Jesse.
He had a year+ to find a replacement for Ken.

All this legal mess is really not necessary, not for them and certainly not for us.


Now you overlook the fact Ken stated he licensed the program back to IVS.


What?! Where? When???? 
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The Mole
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I think I remember that it was in his opening statements in the Invelos forums
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MichaelKafke
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I don't know if it's old news, but on the Missouri Court webside it is said, that the hearing for the DVDP case is scheduled for 04/12/2007 (9 o'clock sharp!) - not so great news.....

If they need until next year to solve this issue, I think I want to write my own DVD database (and perhaps get rich by trying!)...
Argh!!!
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I don't know if it's old news, but on the Missouri Court webside it is said, that the hearing for the DVDP case is scheduled for 04/12/2007 (9 o'clock sharp!) - not so great news.....

If they need until next year to solve this issue, I think I want to write my own DVD database (and perhaps get rich by trying!)...
Argh!!!


Ugh, you're posthing this now? Today is 4/28/2007. 16 days after the date you mentioned.
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MichaelKafke
Registered: August 20, 2006
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Oops, I thought they meant December! 
Sorry, my Mistake!
Here in Germany the date format is the other way round: 12.4.2007 (12th of April)

As the court site isn't working correctly I couldn't see what happened after that date and at the moment the whole page isn't responding!
So, what happened that day? Was that just for shutting Invelos down for the moment?
Lithurge
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What?! Where? When???? 


The forum that's no longer accessible.
Nick

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Skywatcher
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Oops, I thought they meant December! 
Sorry, my Mistake!
Here in Germany the date format is the other way round: 12.4.2007 (12th of April)

As the court site isn't working correctly I couldn't see what happened after that date and at the moment the whole page isn't responding!
So, what happened that day? Was that just for shutting Invelos down for the moment?


That hearing was canceled. Ken only got the summon on the 10th from the court. So, on the 11th. the court canceled the hearing of the 12th., as it probably understood he'd have no time to prepare himself or something like that.
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Oops, I thought they meant December! 
Sorry, my Mistake!
Here in Germany the date format is the other way round: 12.4.2007 (12th of April)

As the court site isn't working correctly I couldn't see what happened after that date and at the moment the whole page isn't responding!
So, what happened that day? Was that just for shutting Invelos down for the moment?


That hearing was canceled. Ken only got the summon on the 10th from the court. So, on the 11th. the court canceled the hearing of the 12th., as it probably understood he'd have no time to prepare himself or something like that.

But, the hearing was held on the 16th and then a TRO was issued.

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Quoting EricvOmmen:
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Well said, FunkyLA.
Personally? I'm pissed off at Intervocative. Jesse could easily settle his dispute with Ken in private, and spare us, the poor loyal users, from all of this.

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How do you know it wasn't tried and Ken refused to sit down and sort it out?

To put another angle on it Ken chose not to speak to us for a year and a half and we do not know who chose to not release 2.5 as a final product.

My point being we simply do not have a clue what the relevant facts of the case are and have no grounds for placing blame on either side.


About the 1 1/2 year silence:
Some post somewhere mentioned that Invelos is already in existence for over a year. Combine that with the silence at the IVS site and it brings recollections to my mind of a separation agreement barring the leaver from doing related (meaning DVDP) activities publicly in the same area for a specified time, i.e. a year or so.

Such a clause would give IVS at least a year's worth (=2006) of revenue from buys and ad revenue.

Speculation of course, I admit.


It sound like you're talking about so-called 'restraint of trade' statues.  It is my opinion that such generally don't carry any legal weight when the final analysis is over and done with.  You can't prevent somebody from working in their field of endeavor just because they no longer work for company A.  Those laws have been struck down time and time again.

Not to say that this isn't a factor, because it wouldn't surprise me at all.  Just noting that in the final shakeout, it probably won't mean much.
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Rifter
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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I know Ken licensed IVS to continue sales of DVD Profiler, that could make IVS, or mean still is, co-owner of the old code IMO. I also noticed that a lot of the old code has changed in the new version but not all, like the tag editor or the crew member role assigner. And it could be, beside the name of the program, that IVS claims to be part owner of the new version because of this and they want a certain percentage of the money Invelos makes.

PS. I hope this will not mean this site will be closed down too, like the last I speculated on the Invelos forums...


It could also mean that Ken is being generous and allowing IVS to use the code in 2.5 beta.  That is implicit in the act of licensing IVS to continue to use 2.5/2/4.

Also, those parts of Profiler that didn't change don't necessarily mean IVS has a claim on them.  They could just as easily be parts owned by Invelos that required no changes to retain functionality.

I have no doubt they want part or all of the money Invelos would make.  The whole scenario just doesn't fall out that way to me.  Ken appears to have gone out of his way to accommodate IVS only to be rebuffed and forced to go out on his own.  IVS is now crying foul based on their own greed and intransigence.
John

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EricvOmmen
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How do you know it wasn't tried and Ken refused to sit down and sort it out?

To put another angle on it Ken chose not to speak to us for a year and a half and we do not know who chose to not release 2.5 as a final product...


About the 1 1/2 year silence:
Some post somewhere mentioned that Invelos is already in existence for over a year. Combine that with the silence at the IVS site and it brings recollections to my mind of a separation agreement barring the leaver from doing related (meaning DVDP) activities publicly in the same area for a specified time, i.e. a year or so.

Such a clause would give IVS at least a year's worth (=2006) of revenue from buys and ad revenue.

Speculation of course, I admit.


It sound like you're talking about so-called 'restraint of trade' statues.  It is my opinion that such generally don't carry any legal weight when the final analysis is over and done with.  You can't prevent somebody from working in their field of endeavor just because they no longer work for company A.  Those laws have been struck down time and time again.

Not to say that this isn't a factor, because it wouldn't surprise me at all.  Just noting that in the final shakeout, it probably won't mean much.


John,
You may be quite right. It depends largely on the USA/Missouri laws applicable and any agreements between parties -- and we haven't seen the details.

But it would explain the 1 1/2 year hiatus.

Also, it implies that any financial part of a possible (!) settlement must incorporate the "2006 profits", meaning there could be little left to gain for IVS on top of "2006". Once again, speculative.

As for Invelos/Ken licensing IVS for 2.4/2.5, that presupposes that Invelos/Ken has the code-ownership. If IVS contests the ownership (and the Invelos search for a software specialist seems to indicate that), and wins, the whole licensing becomes an empty statement. You can't license what you do not have. OTOH, if ownership is confirmed for Invelos/Ken, the loss of income at Invelos since 18/4 will weigh down on IVS and the partners individually -- very much depending on the local law.
Eric

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VinnyP
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I am not a regular here so I may be out of touch. In relation to the dispute there seem to be a lot of speculation and debate threads, as well as a few which are for the venting of steam (I feel the frustration too but doubt there is much to be gained from this) most are a bit of both.

I check on all the threads for any new real news it would be great for me and I am sure for others if this thread stuck to the title about what we know rather than what we think?
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