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synner_man
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Registered: November 2, 2001
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I only have a meager collection of 523, but I also must confess, I have a pirate...ONE and I bought it knowing it was a pirate  .  Salo: 120 Days of Sodom.  The "real" version, Criterion, is so rare that it sells for as much as $800us.


It used to go for over a thousand.  Criterion will be reissuing later this year in a new Special Edition.  I am lucky enough to own an authentic version of the disc (only 2,000 were made and many were recalled) since I bought it the day it came out at Tower for the $40 retail.  In fact, it was the title that encouraged me to start ordering on-line.  I vowed never to pay full retail price for a disc again.  I've had to break that vow once in a while -- an obscure, hard-to-find disc pops every now and then in those discount-less places.

As for pirates, I can say that in my nearly 9,000 DVD collection, I can count on one hand the number that are bootlegs.  I didn't know it at the time, as the guy I bought them from at a market claimed they were imports from Japan, but they turned out to be bootlegs of the Japanese DVDs with English subs added to them (these are Japanese films).  If legitmate versions ever show up on US shores, I will be replacing them.
69SAMAEL69
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Reissuing Salo eh?  Excellent.  Then I will have 0 pirates. 
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pauls42
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I have lots downloaded, but a vast majority of it is foreign (Mostly Italian and Japanese) and legal since it is not available and was never available in North America.


I must be mis reading you but you seem to imply that if its not available in R1 then you feel justified in pirating it?
Paul
MarkEJHarrison
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I have lots downloaded, but a vast majority of it is foreign (Mostly Italian and Japanese) and legal since it is not available and was never available in North America.


I must be mis reading you but you seem to imply that if its not available in R1 then you feel justified in pirating it?


I may be mis-reading it as well, but I got a different meaning.  I took it to mean if it's not available in R1, then he's saying it's not illegal to pirate it.  Not just that he feel justified in pirating it.

Regardless, it's illegal to pirate material regardless of it's availability.
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Skywatcher
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Then I'd be "forced" to pirate a lot of stuff that doesn't appear for sale in Portugal, or even in Europe. Do you mean it'd be legal then? 

Man, and I've been buying all those R1s and R3s on the internet stores when I could just be downloading them 
With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress.
69SAMAEL69
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I'm not talking about about stuff I can get from other countries, I have tons of imports (R1, R2, R4, R6) and have no problem playing PAL or any region.  What I'm talking about are EXTREME horror/exploitation/violence/sadism titles which have NEVER been released in an uncut format in the English language.  There are lots of titles, such as Antropophagus, Grim Reaper, and El Topo (Soon to be released WOO HOO) for example.  Antropophagus, was released uncut in German I think, but no subs.  Mind you, it was a "Blood Red Edition", good luck finding it.  Some movies were released on VHS uncut once upon a time but good luck finding them as well.  I do have several hundred VHS, most rare and unreleased on DVD.  The crown being the original uncut release of blade runner with the gore scenes intact.  I don't own it on DVD because I can't stand censorship.  Thanks to companies like Anchor Bay(Which comprises over 10% of my collection), Elite, Barrel, Unearthed, Tartan, and TLA and advocates, like Quentin Tarentino and Eli Roth who bring the extreme in to the mainstream, more and more these titles are becoming available as interest grows, and I generally pick them us as they're released. 

We're not taking about average Hollywood horror movies, we're talking about stuff like,
Guinea Pig - Flowers of Flesh and Blood,
Guinea Pig - Devil's Experiment,
Guinea Pig - Mermaid in a Manhole,
All Night long 1, 2, & 3
Last House on the Left (Which I actually own the Uncut Canadian VHS, which was the only uncut version released until recently),
Last House on Dead End Street,
House on the Edge of the Park
Nekromantik
Aftermath
Audition
Ichi the Killer
Zombie
Battle Royale
Suicide Club
Dellamore Dellamorte (Cemetery Man)
Cannibal Holocaust
Cannibal Ferox
Bad taste (Both SubStaNce and Anchor Bay)
Meet the Feebles (Good luck finding this)

to name a few.  These are not nice movies and most people couldn't handle them and until recently, extremely difficult or impossible to find legitimate copies of.  I have downloaded all of these at some point and have since bought when they became available.

In short, I don't download it if I can buy it.  Actually, I don't download movies anymore, If I can't buy it now, I do when I can.

What I'm arguing is that not all copies are pirates, they are simply legal copies.  I don't know what the rules are, but companies like Video Screams and what used to be Deepest Black(RIP) sell legitimate "copies".

Rob
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PastorErin
Registered: October 25, 2004
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I'm one of those people who agree that it is wrong to copy  DVDs so that you don’t have to purchase them... however, the self-righteous 'how could you ?' attitude of those who don't or haven't pirated any movies is ludicrous.  It's absurdly hypocritical.  Any of us who claim not to have gained from dishonesty and/or thievery of some kind (regardless of how small) are only fooling ourselves.

And although not spoken outright, the idea that it is somehow impugns the integrity of IVS (and/or Invelos) and DVDP is asinine.  That's like saying that the reputation of Intuit (the makes of Quicken) is somehow tarnished when money launderers use their product to track their dealings.... or Microsoft being injured because someone used Outlook to make inside trades on Wall Street... it's just dumb.

So... if you're pirating movies... that's on you.  If you're not...  great.  Either way, none of us can claim that IVS would be where it is today (or rather, was... a month ago) without both camps.
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Rifter
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Contraband is still contraband.  Justifying WHY you have it is no defense and never has been, and wouldn't stand up in any court.
John

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Lithurge
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What I'm arguing is that not all copies are pirates, they are simply legal copies.  I don't know what the rules are, but companies like Video Screams and what used to be Deepest Black(RIP) sell legitimate "copies".

Rob


If they don't own the copyright or are not licensed by the copyright holders to sell titles, then they are not legal.

Selling something you do not own the rights to sell is not legal it's very simple. If you have no problems owning illegal copies that's up to you, but please make sure you are aware of the consequences of doing so.

Ignorance is no defense in the eyes of the law.
Nick

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pauls42
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I may be mis-reading it as well, but I got a different meaning.  I took it to mean if it's not available in R1, then he's saying it's not illegal to pirate it.  Not just that he feel justified in pirating it.

Regardless, it's illegal to pirate material regardless of it's availability.


Thats what I was trying to say as well.
Paul
MarkEJHarrison
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I'm one of those people who agree that it is wrong to copy  DVDs so that you don’t have to purchase them... however, the self-righteous 'how could you ?' attitude of those who don't or haven't pirated any movies is ludicrous.  It's absurdly hypocritical.


Maybe I've not been paying attention, but I've not really seen that attitude.  I said it's illegal to copy a movie regardless of if a legal option is available or not.  If someone chooses to pirate movies, I'd don't really care.  It really isn't any of my business.  Just don't say it isn't pirating, because it is.
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skipnet50
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I have lots downloaded, but a vast majority of it is foreign (Mostly Italian and Japanese) and legal since it is not available and was never available in North America.


I thought I had seen everything in terms of trying to rationalize a thief's behavior. Sir a rose os a rose and a thief is still a thief is STILL a thief, you are a PIRATE.

If you get the impression i have zero tolerance for such behavior, regardless of the excuse, you would be absolutely CORRECT. I suggest you say NO MORE about this matter. I can only hope that both the authorities in Washington and Hollywood will track you doiwn and make you pay for your crime.

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sirdizzy
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I have 1026 dvds and I have one dvd that may or may not be a pirate not entirely sure.  Its the Howard the Duck, it could be a foreign edition or a region 2, I just know they have never released it in the US.
VibroCount
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I made my apologies to those who felt insulted and I explained what I meant, get over it guys.  If you want to read a forum when there's people from all over the world, you're also gonna have to accept that they are not all native english speaking people and that sometimes sentences maybe be written as they should

Bottom line is, if you don't own pirated dvd's then there's not need to be insulted because i wasn't taliking about you....for the others....if the hat fits wear it.


Yup, he apologized and I accept that.

I'll fess up: I own what appears to be a pirated DVD. I purchased what (at the time) appeared to be a legal Asian DVD of "Song of the South" from a Canadian dealer on eBay. A day after I bought it (there were 20 available at a Buy It Now price and at least five were sold), ebay shut down the listing. PayPal had already sent my money to the dealer. I emailed the dealer and got no response, so I was ready to dispute the charges with PayPal. But within two days, I had the DVD. So I don't know if it was a legit Asian (Hong Kong) version of Song of the South or a bootleg one. My assumption is that it is a pirate. But I'll watch it (the damage I've caused has been done) until Disney releases a USA version, or I find a legal Asian copy of the DVD, because I know Disney has licensed the film to a few Asian DVD companies.

I find it hilarious that until I bought this DVD, my 16-year-old daughter had never seen Song of the South but Splash Mountain was (and is) her favorite ride at Disneyland. Nice ride, with no context for anyone other than those of us older than 40 or so.

So out of my 1955 DVDs, one (most likely) is pirated. But I even have a PayPal receipt through eBay for it... (which does not disqualify it from being a illegal copy).
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Cliff


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Johan1FS
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...from a Canadian dealer on eBay. A day after I bought it (there were 20 available at a Buy It Now price and at least five were sold),


Without wanting to generalise, in my effort to find a legitimate copy of Destinos on eBay, I found several Canadian outfits selling bootleg copies and they seem to make living out of it. (Discs not in cases but in sleeves, DVD-R instead of factory manufactured, inkjet printing and labels instead of screenprint, etc.) These bootleg copies of Destinos regularly sells for anything between US$150 - US$450.  Apart from being illegal, I find it immoral. But I guess they couldn't care less.

I'll never again buy DVDs via eBay again after my experience.
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